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VELLTONE MUSIC wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:59 pm
Uncle E wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:40 pm
VELLTONE MUSIC wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:06 pm I did my best,tested many demos,many times tried to like some of most popular ones and to justify the money i have to spend...maybe i miss the right place where to put them,i don't know,just my point of view is - if can't use a synth or fx in first 5 min demoing it and to have results,it's waste of time and money,that's my process of work and logic...test...buy...use...
Cheers :)
Sure, you're right, don't buy if it isn't doing it for you. Honestly, if your preferences are Sylenth1, Massive, Vital, and Serum, it's no wonder you're not interested in analog emulations.

Look, I don't like apple juice, I find it sickeningly sweet and have never found one that changes my opinion on it. Should I be calling apple juice a marketing gimmick made for old white people?
No you don't,but if somebody sell me an apple juice and label it as grape for 150 euro to me this is at least disappointing ...
I am disappointed and i have opinion based on my experience,that's all.
White folks shouldn't be insult yet,if old was trigger sorry didn't wrote it as something negative...just the fact is that market do anything to survive these days and use any tricks,that's my point...agree or disagree ...it's your opinion :)
Cheers :)
Statistics show that higher consumption is in children for lower income, black and Hispanic communities. If they're marketing to old white people, it's just trying to tap a new market.
So this raises a question of whether software companies are just trying to tap new markets of those fantasizing of, but with no real talent or persistence to develop a skill.

There was a report a few decades ago that stated the only two businesses that did well in recessions were liquor stores and music stores (mainly guitars). Which is why we see so many as a living room decoration that no one plays...

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machinesworking wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:30 pm I use Diva all the time for bass, bass isn't something that needs a "modern" sound in every song here, analog bass sounds stand the test of time like a hardware snare drum sound does IMO.
I fully agree, and I use it mostly for that. But most of the time, I go to phase plant, avenger 2 or subboombass2, they also do has very well.
And when I want a "creamy" bas, my first reflex is obsession, not diva. (I am sure diva could make it too but obsession is just faster for me).
I have the legend too but I am not into Moog sound.

Mostly the voice modulation sound in the Memorymoog is fairly unique and great to program, it's not a vintage sound, it's a technique for synthesis, it's like saying all subtractive synthesis and DX7 style FM is out of date and only modern techniques can be used.
I agree also and I am not saying that. But these synthesis technique are not mainstream as say FM or granular or spectral. So it is more for"specialist" as I was saying. (Me saying it is for specialist doesn't mean it isn't useful, it is just a law of diminishing returns).

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I hate this acronym, it stinks. I hate influencers for popularizing gearhead culture, they're all whores. I laugh at everyone who wants to go 'dawless' and then menu dive a 3 inch LCD screen for an hour to pretend they're somehow more productive.

No one cares what gear I use online because no one knows who I really am but let me tell you I've been using trackers successfully since the beginning. I've been sampling, using softsynths and a majority of my 'studio' is in the box and free/cheap. If anyone out there tells you to buy something more expensive they're either a salesman or a sullen child who has to resort to being a braggart to make friends.

Half the tracks people pump out are uninspired, color-by-number templated throwaway garbage and I blame these GASfluencers for leading an entire generation astray. No one cares whats in your home studio except jealous people who watch too many vids but don't make any tunes. We were this close to getting rid of the retrofetishist analog elitist gatekeepers and then along came HD video.

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sickpie98 wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:50 pm I hate this acronym, it stinks. I hate influencers for popularizing gearhead culture, they're all whores. I laugh at everyone who wants to go 'dawless' and then menu dive a 3 inch LCD screen for an hour to pretend they're somehow more productive.

No one cares what gear I use online because no one knows who I really am but let me tell you I've been using trackers successfully since the beginning. I've been sampling, using softsynths and a majority of my 'studio' is in the box and free/cheap. If anyone out there tells you to buy something more expensive they're either a salesman or a sullen child who has to resort to being a braggart to make friends.

Half the tracks people pump out are uninspired, color-by-number templated throwaway garbage and I blame these GASfluencers for leading an entire generation astray. No one cares whats in your home studio except jealous people who watch too many vids but don't make any tunes. We were this close to getting rid of the retrofetishist analog elitist gatekeepers and then along came HD video.
Well, I don't fully agree (and don't fully disagree neither on some of your points).

But it seems to be a little point you forgot.
The fun aspect.

If people (certainly not me) prefer to go through a 3 inch LCD, why does it upset you ?
It can be a fun way to do things...

I mean even in corporates life, the fun when doing a job is a factor of productivity and efficiency, why do you want to take this out from music ?
If people prefer to buy 15 plugins when they could have done the same with one (but with less fun) why do you care ?

Most of the people in this forum (and I would bet that most of the people, period), know perfectly that they are buying some plugins not because of utilitarian aspect but because they are fun.

Why that makes you angry ?

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People get their music published who use all free plugins, and people also use entire warehouses of hardware. The "rules" of what becomes popular and what is good music went away decades ago.

GAS and influencers are kind of gross, I'll give you that. There is no "must have" plugin that will make writers block go away, and participating in and alternately writing a Song A Day challenges is a good habit to kill writers block, but why do so many people think they should release them?

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sickpie98 wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:50 pm I hate this acronym, it stinks.
Of course GAS stinks; what did you expect? :wink:

machinesworking wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:10 pm alternately writing a Song A Day challenges is a good habit to kill writers block, but why do so many people think they should release them?
IMO writing a song a day is a good way to kill the enjoyment and spontaneity of making music. It then becomes a chore. To each their own, but hard pass from me.

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mixyguy2 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:26 am IMO writing a song a day is a good way to kill the enjoyment and spontaneity of making music. It then becomes a chore. To each their own, but hard pass from me.
Seems like a solid thing to do if you have writers block though, force yourself to finish things. So IMO it's either write nothing or plow through it. :shrug:

IMO though a more logical version is a song a month. Essentially most groups release records every couple years, no reason to speed up the process to some ridiculous level.

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How about a song a day but not every day? IOW, complete a song in one day but don't force it to happen on days when you're not into it. That's fairly accurate to how it goes with a lot of major artists.

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Forcing anything is the complete opposite of why I make music. It's for my fun and enjoyment. If the tunes aren't coming, then walk away and go do something else, it's not as if I haven't got a shitload of stuff that needs doing in life. Writer's block is life's way of telling you to have a rest. Making yourself do something that doesn't work is kinda like masochism IMO. Enjoy it or don't do it. Simples. Music doesn't HAVE to be done every day, tunes don't HAVE to be made (unless that's your actual job...and I absolutely hated doing it for money).

GAS is nothing but enjoyment and fun. It's new toys whether that be sw or hw. If anyone gives a f**k why I want new toys - I really don't care in the slightest. If some sw "keep it streamlined" ascetic thinks I shouldn't want hw synths - it says more about their insecurity and jealousy than me. :shrug:

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I didn't watch the video, but I have spent many k of $ on gear and I know the answer.
At one point I stopped spending money on a new gear, because I found the setup for me, and don't have GAS anymore.
Turns out most of the gear I bought I didn't use at all or used a bit and sold it.
The way to overcome GAS is to buy gear on a second hand market, until you find the setup you click with. And in the worst case you sell the rest at the same price you bought it.

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The way to overcome GAS is to spend every cent you have on toys until you have no more left to spend and you can't buy anything. Or you then already have everything and there's nothing left to buy. So move on to the next obsession... :hihi:

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machinesworking wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:45 am
mixyguy2 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:26 am IMO writing a song a day is a good way to kill the enjoyment and spontaneity of making music. It then becomes a chore. To each their own, but hard pass from me.
Seems like a solid thing to do if you have writers block though, force yourself to finish things. So IMO it's either write nothing or plow through it. :shrug:
And I vote write nothing (for the moment).

Anyway, back to the topic...

When I first discovered the world of plugins, I was like a kid in a candy shop. I was willing to try almost anything. But now that I've tried many, I have largely what I want/need (if not more) and saw that new things I was trying were less and less useful, so the interest in new stuff faded.

Again to each their own, but getting new things for the sake of getting new things makes no sense to me. It's like some weird hoarding thing. For me it's a means to an end.

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mixyguy2 wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:00 am .......
When I first discovered the world of plugins, I was like a kid in a candy shop. I was willing to try almost anything. But now that I've tried many, I have largely what I want/need (if not more) and saw that new things I was trying were less and less useful, so the interest in new stuff faded.

Again to each their own, but getting new things for the sake of getting new things makes no sense to me. It's like some weird hoarding thing. For me it's a means to an end.
it really depends on how you approach things. I go back and forth on this issue, I was as productive if not more with only a computer sending MIDI to two synths and a sampler, but for sure I'm not interested in going back.

Plus I think some people work well with a maximalist approach, not everyone loves taking a few instruments and learning them in and out, some people buy instruments and at most buy preset packs before eventually moving on. No interest at all in preset creation.

I again defer to the idea that it doesn't matter what way you work, it matters if you're producing music, GAS can be way to avoid writing or it can be inspiring to play with new things, and considering how cheap software is, it's not the worst thing ever.

Mostly it's 50/50 for me, I don't like that I don't know every detail about all my software, but I love having access to a massive library of timbres. so I tend to stick to 8 or so and use the rest like romplers that I tweak presets on.

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