it is.
however in this case, probably not likely, as a real plate wouldn't, so its either not that accurate or not a model. doesn't mean its bad tho
Arturia Xmas Gift Reverb PLATE-140
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- KVRAF
- 4437 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
that's a fairly unorthodox understanding of how algorithms work. as i said earlier, it would only produce different results only if there was some randomization in the model (something i've only seen in u-he Satin, and there, the "randomization" part is the noise, which is done that way to prevent buildup across tracks, not for any kind of "authenticity").
you can of course argue that none of the plugins modeling hardware are "accurate" or aren't "models" because they don't have this randomization, but in that case, your opinion is kind of irrelevant.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- KVRAF
- 1612 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
no...why?
well, i don't think so
shouldn't ruin Xmas
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- Banned
- 1792 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg
Sorry, your Xmas seems to be ruined...
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- KVRAF
- 6549 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
That's not entirely true, almost all across u-he synth range you have voice drift which adds dirt in it.Burillo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:21 pm
that's a fairly unorthodox understanding of how algorithms work. as i said earlier, it would only produce different results only if there was some randomization in the model (something i've only seen in u-he Satin, and there, the "randomization" part is the noise, which is done that way to prevent buildup across tracks, not for any kind of "authenticity").
you can of course argue that none of the plugins modeling hardware are "accurate" or aren't "models" because they don't have this randomization, but in that case, your opinion is kind of irrelevant.
to quote u-he zebra manual (which is not even a VA)
just saying that if you're after "a faithful representation" of a plate, that's not really how a real behaves (being nullable), so it's not "as faithful" or it's not algorithmic.Voice Drift
If set to On, each new note is slightly detuned, emulating the imprecise pitch of classic analogue oscillators. Switch this off for “absolute” precision.
And plenty of reverbs have (controllable) modulation of the tail. Convolutions generally don't.
Not that it inherently means that it's a bad approach or that it's a bad reverb by what i said alone.
but then again, arturia was never known for faithful models in the first place.
again... not arguing that this is in any way the holy grail of anything.
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- KVRAF
- 4208 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
How long is it taking on average for folks to get their registration info? I’ve gotten no reply with a serial or anything since yesterday when I went to the site and “got” the plugin. It’s listed as a demo in the Arturia software control thing.
Don't F**K with Mr. Zero.
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- KVRAF
- 4170 posts since 2 Feb, 2003 from lost in music
it's the same here
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- KVRAF
- 3373 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
It probably isn't a convolution reverb. DSP usage is negligible and it only reports 50 sample of latency. Soundtoys Little Plate for example reports 32 samples of latency. Some algorithmic reverbs do use samples for example Verberate used them for ER. It's not unusual or uncommon.
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2
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- KVRAF
- 6549 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Lol I actually sampled my algorithmic verbs for live use cause space designer used less resources than the algov1o wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:36 am It probably isn't a convolution reverb. DSP usage is negligible and it only reports 50 sample of latency. Soundtoys Little Plate for example reports 32 samples of latency. Some algorithmic reverbs do use samples for example Verberate used them for ER. It's not unusual or uncommon.
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- KVRAF
- 3373 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
LOL Space Designer latency is 128 samples at a minimum. Not good enough for live playing.Ploki wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:56 amLol I actually sampled my algorithmic verbs for live use cause space designer used less resources than the algov1o wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:36 am It probably isn't a convolution reverb. DSP usage is negligible and it only reports 50 sample of latency. Soundtoys Little Plate for example reports 32 samples of latency. Some algorithmic reverbs do use samples for example Verberate used them for ER. It's not unusual or uncommon.
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2
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- KVRian
- 1090 posts since 24 Jul, 2018
On my main E-Mail i never got a reply but on my backup account i got it within a half hour.
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Obsolete236871 Obsolete236871 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=236871
- Banned
- 821 posts since 4 Aug, 2010
My guess: the plate reverb part is convolution based. They sampled a plate reverb in a number of settings (hence the strange, slowly reacting slider, which essentially changes the underlying impulse response samples). Not even sure whether they sampled the original EMT or rather some self-built thingy like the Ikea reverb (btw: there are also some great free impulse responses of that thing). For some reason the Arturia sounds quite different from the Soundtoys one.
Another indicator for underlying convolution base: the sheer size. Good algo reverb are often below 20mb in file size (even the Valhalla ones I recall).
Arturia probably sampled a real plate in all those various time settings in high resolution and bit depth, hence the relative large size. With that being said: I actually like the sound and interface very much and appreciate the free offer, even though I could do without the whole "software control center" scheme. I had to re-setup my audio workstation and had to install dozens of "software centers" to make use of my collection of commercial plugins - quite time consuming, especially when you have "software centers" like Nat*ve Ac*ess, that will only make use a fraction of the available download bandwith, so that downloading one 400mb plugin literally takes hours.
Another indicator for underlying convolution base: the sheer size. Good algo reverb are often below 20mb in file size (even the Valhalla ones I recall).
Arturia probably sampled a real plate in all those various time settings in high resolution and bit depth, hence the relative large size. With that being said: I actually like the sound and interface very much and appreciate the free offer, even though I could do without the whole "software control center" scheme. I had to re-setup my audio workstation and had to install dozens of "software centers" to make use of my collection of commercial plugins - quite time consuming, especially when you have "software centers" like Nat*ve Ac*ess, that will only make use a fraction of the available download bandwith, so that downloading one 400mb plugin literally takes hours.
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- KVRAF
- 6549 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
Why? Its 100% wet on a send, latency compensation disabled. Its like having a little predelayv1o wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:27 amLOL Space Designer latency is 128 samples at a minimum. Not good enough for live playing.Ploki wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:56 amLol I actually sampled my algorithmic verbs for live use cause space designer used less resources than the algov1o wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:36 am It probably isn't a convolution reverb. DSP usage is negligible and it only reports 50 sample of latency. Soundtoys Little Plate for example reports 32 samples of latency. Some algorithmic reverbs do use samples for example Verberate used them for ER. It's not unusual or uncommon.
And its cost way less CPU than its source verbs.
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- KVRer
- 20 posts since 2 Dec, 2017
The problem appears to have been resolved now. I was able to activate.twilli003 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:40 pmSame problem here.Phil B wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:43 pmSame here. Gave upoboemaroni wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:08 pm Yes, obviously I'd have to have an account to be logged in to Arturia Software Centre. I've followed the instructions to the letter, and have tried uninstalling and reinstalling several times over several days, there's still no option to activate. Hopefully Arturia support can sort it out.
