Speakers for hobbyist piano playing
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 12 posts since 2 Sep, 2009
I've been using Philips SPA5300/10 speakers ($75) for the last 10 years of hobbyist piano playing. But lately I realized they have 2 important drawbacks:
1. Low chords sound muddy and generally horrible (especially bad for minor triads and major triads. A simple fifth chord sounds okay-ish).
2. In fact, I actually hear some "detunedness" in what I play. No idea how the speakers can cause that but they do.
I verified that it's the speakers that cause the trouble, because I tried using my simple $15 "ACME" headphones and they give me a perfect sound.
So, my questions:
- Should I be looking for "monitor speakers"?
- Do I need a subwoofer (my current Phillips setup includes one) or is it better to go without that?
- What speakers would you recommend?
I don't need the speakers to be super loud. I think I'd be very happy with some inexpensive model, because I'm not a professional and I don't play at concerts or anything. I don't even need stereo sound.
I hope to find something below $100, hopefully much less than that.
TIA!
1. Low chords sound muddy and generally horrible (especially bad for minor triads and major triads. A simple fifth chord sounds okay-ish).
2. In fact, I actually hear some "detunedness" in what I play. No idea how the speakers can cause that but they do.
I verified that it's the speakers that cause the trouble, because I tried using my simple $15 "ACME" headphones and they give me a perfect sound.
So, my questions:
- Should I be looking for "monitor speakers"?
- Do I need a subwoofer (my current Phillips setup includes one) or is it better to go without that?
- What speakers would you recommend?
I don't need the speakers to be super loud. I think I'd be very happy with some inexpensive model, because I'm not a professional and I don't play at concerts or anything. I don't even need stereo sound.
I hope to find something below $100, hopefully much less than that.
TIA!
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- KVRAF
- 6557 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
About your points
#1. You don't use triads in left hand for the reason you mention.
- more like octaves and another note if three
- tonika, third and fifth will sound bad
- unless playing both hands high up, that is
So what you describe is normal.
#2. Speakers mix frequencies from left and right in a way that phones don't.
- I've experimented a lot with stretch tunings that fix some of this
- even phones on some digital pianos are poor at this IMO
- my Kawai MP7SE has really nice options for both octave and stretch tunings
I had 3 Yamaha digital pianos, and they had very poor options for stretch tunings over all.
- I talked to Yamaha about it but they say this is inherent for digital pianos
- until I started using altered tunings I believed this
- stretch tunings is about how harmonics mix and used in acoustic pianos too
I think Roland is much better too.
Just for piano I would look at having active speakers on floor pointing up.
- but tilted like some has will work too, one each side on floor
- Dynaudio has some tilted speakers
- that will give you the feeling of being surrounded by the piano almost
- that like an acoustic piano of some sort
- Some digital pianos do this that have speakers, pointing up, but even better at side of stool
IMO you do need at least 30W or something, nothing less.
- If tapping keys becomes too large part of sound it spoils quite a bit.
None of my ideas belong in the price target you set. At least 3 times that.
- Save up for something that really improves the sound for you.
- or look at second hand stuff active monitors
Try placement of what you have. Don't use hifi style stereo placement but up towards you as a test. Each side of stool or something. Testing cost nothing.
#1. You don't use triads in left hand for the reason you mention.
- more like octaves and another note if three
- tonika, third and fifth will sound bad
- unless playing both hands high up, that is
So what you describe is normal.
#2. Speakers mix frequencies from left and right in a way that phones don't.
- I've experimented a lot with stretch tunings that fix some of this
- even phones on some digital pianos are poor at this IMO
- my Kawai MP7SE has really nice options for both octave and stretch tunings
I had 3 Yamaha digital pianos, and they had very poor options for stretch tunings over all.
- I talked to Yamaha about it but they say this is inherent for digital pianos
- until I started using altered tunings I believed this
- stretch tunings is about how harmonics mix and used in acoustic pianos too
I think Roland is much better too.
Just for piano I would look at having active speakers on floor pointing up.
- but tilted like some has will work too, one each side on floor
- Dynaudio has some tilted speakers
- that will give you the feeling of being surrounded by the piano almost
- that like an acoustic piano of some sort
- Some digital pianos do this that have speakers, pointing up, but even better at side of stool
IMO you do need at least 30W or something, nothing less.
- If tapping keys becomes too large part of sound it spoils quite a bit.
None of my ideas belong in the price target you set. At least 3 times that.
- Save up for something that really improves the sound for you.
- or look at second hand stuff active monitors
Try placement of what you have. Don't use hifi style stereo placement but up towards you as a test. Each side of stool or something. Testing cost nothing.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 12 posts since 2 Sep, 2009
Thanks, @lfm.
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- KVRian
- 877 posts since 24 Oct, 2022 from Abbotsford, British Columbia
No, they are used for venues when you need to hear yourself and/or your band on stage.
No, but it is nice to have if you can afford the price and space.SteveMonov wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:20 am Do I need a subwoofer (my current Phillips setup includes one) or is it better to go without that?
Assuming you are interested in upgrading your sound using PA systems, I recommend the Bose S1 Pro+.
- KVRian
- 811 posts since 10 Sep, 2015 from You haven't unlocked this character yet
Honestly, go on FB Marketplace or OfferUp and look for "studio monitors." At this point, it's not what you can get for under $100, it's more like what is out there for under $100. You may find a pair of KRKs or Yamahas...or better.
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