KVR Audio

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Mon May 15, 2023 5:09 pm

Yeah...Cool Edit was free in the beginning... You can still find that freeware version around... Those two guys really made out selling Cool Edit to Adobe for 16.5 Million... WHEWww!...Retirement days ahead!....

I think GoldWave was free in the beginning...

HECK, Sampled 2.0 still works great & preserves loop points in samples, converts a Stereo to Mono on import as it just works on Mono...It never went pay...

Info here-

https://web.archive.org/web/20000818030 ... d/sampled/

DIRECT DL Here-

https://web.archive.org/web/20201002125 ... mplw20.zip

Amazing how many Editors blow out loop points in samples...

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon May 15, 2023 6:57 pm

eLawnMust wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 5:09 pm
Amazing how many Editors blow out loop points in samples...

You can thank the wretched WAV/AIFF format for that. It's why loop-specific formats were conceived.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:02 pm

Goldwave was free at first. Sigh. Here's also to Acid Pro.

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:27 pm

Yeah seems like the ones best for internal loop points are the least known or popular...

Here is one I have used ALOT (free)-

https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/endlesswav.html

Also this one-

http://www.dissidents.com/products.htm#Products Sample Wrench

Nero Wave Editor I always like for pitch shifting samples....

As to Cool Edit 96 there is a directory here-

https://www.midiplayertools.com/Software/CoolEdit96/

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:36 pm

As to being dogmatic about AXS I must've overlooked this pertinent information this from the Sonic Spot from 1999 when AXS was still DOS & a $60.00 commercial product-

Looks like those two Danish University Students were way ahead of their time. 'Sample limits only on PC memory' and 'Sample lengths to 16 MB' ...Shite, that would be ultra huge for back then...

So I guess I got nuthin' to worry about...Amazing a 22 year-old freeware tracker that is more stable than most 'high-tech' current DAWs & sequencers...Go figger...

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon May 15, 2023 9:52 pm

eLawnMust wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:27 pm Yeah seems like the ones best for internal loop points are the least known or popular...

Here is one I have used ALOT (free)-

https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/endlesswav.html

Also this one-

http://www.dissidents.com/products.htm#Products Sample Wrench

Nero Wave Editor I always like for pitch shifting samples....

As to Cool Edit 96 there is a directory here-

https://www.midiplayertools.com/Software/CoolEdit96/

It's sad when 30-year old free software is more feature-laden than most anything you can get today, free or paid. I tried very hard to find something modern and worthwhile, but there was nothing (at least for Mac.) Pretty much much everything I found had only Start Sample, End Sample and cross-fade looping. A few provided for a loop start point, but nothing offered a Loop End that was not just Sample End. It makes it impossible to loop pianos and such which require a separate attack and decay with a looped sustain.

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Mon May 15, 2023 11:57 pm

Well, That sounds terrible...So NCH WavePad no good for loop points?...There's Ocenaudio but I don't think it does loop points, I don't know I didn't like it. Might be better to find a DAW with a POWERFUL Audio Editor Built-in, Trackers are great this way Renoise is MAC as well that would be my choice & it's quality soft forget ableton, cubase & what-not...

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Tue May 16, 2023 12:25 am

Yup, Renoise is MAC as well...The sample editor is first class & you can run a chain of FX through your sample. Renoise can also sample the output of plugins to instruments as well-

Unfortunately we are heading into an age where young desktop 'fiddlers' won't even know what a sample is, even though there are still many sample-based plugs out there...

I watched some young dudes trying to make tunes in old Fruity 2.7, I was shocked at how they didn't really know how to use them correctly or gay them up...

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue May 16, 2023 1:21 pm

I got Nero with a CD burning software. It was good, comparable with Soundforge . I also really love NI Intakt which was such a good slicer/looper. That was the thing, trying to get loop points to make soundfonts. (I hated that)

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Tue May 16, 2023 5:02 pm

eLawnMust wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:36 pm Looks like those two Danish University Students were way ahead of their time. 'Sample limits only on PC memory' and 'Sample lengths to 16 MB' ...Shite, that would be ultra huge for back then...

I remember loading a crapload of samples into FastTracker2.x back in the day. We did not use GUS, we used AWE64/64Gold.

Here is one I released back in the day on one netlabel 1997, 14ch 30MB .xm file. https://i.imgur.com/U9dlgck.png

eLawnMust · Post by **eLawnMust** » Tue May 16, 2023 6:39 pm

That was quite a few samples...Fasttracker2 EPIC!

Well I went ahead & fully tested AXS today...Made a starter song template with FULL stereo samples 24bit all except for perc which was 16bit. Did nothing to optimize at all...NOT an issue at all...So far I cannot crash it!!!

legendCNCD · Post by **legendCNCD** » Thu May 18, 2023 12:12 pm

https://i.imgur.com/64olrNM.png a list of the samples I used. They're all 16bit

- played from Roland Alpha Juno 2 and JX3P if I remember right. There is even amplified AWE64 (not gold) hiss.wav

hah. Lemme see if I can have this as an actual track somewhere...

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Thu May 18, 2023 12:52 pm

My all time favourite would be Steinberg Cubase 3.1 for Atari STE 1020

Gosh, I do miss that computer and software so much.
Limitations by today’s standards made me more creative than today’s technology

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu May 18, 2023 12:55 pm

or, you had less responsibilities and more time...

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Thu May 18, 2023 1:41 pm

vurt wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 12:55 pm or, you had less responsibilities and more time...

You’re probably right../

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