Old DAWs - nostalgia thread
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
Yeah...Cool Edit was free in the beginning... You can still find that freeware version around... Those two guys really made out selling Cool Edit to Adobe for 16.5 Million... WHEWww!...Retirement days ahead!....
I think GoldWave was free in the beginning...
HECK, Sampled 2.0 still works great & preserves loop points in samples, converts a Stereo to Mono on import as it just works on Mono...It never went pay...
Info here-
https://web.archive.org/web/20000818030 ... d/sampled/
DIRECT DL Here-
https://web.archive.org/web/20201002125 ... mplw20.zip
Amazing how many Editors blow out loop points in samples...
I think GoldWave was free in the beginning...
HECK, Sampled 2.0 still works great & preserves loop points in samples, converts a Stereo to Mono on import as it just works on Mono...It never went pay...
Info here-
https://web.archive.org/web/20000818030 ... d/sampled/
DIRECT DL Here-
https://web.archive.org/web/20201002125 ... mplw20.zip
Amazing how many Editors blow out loop points in samples...
- KVRAF
- 2287 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
You can thank the wretched WAV/AIFF format for that. It's why loop-specific formats were conceived.
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? ![Sad :(](./images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
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- KVRAF
- 10834 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
Goldwave was free at first. Sigh. Here's also to Acid Pro.
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
Yeah seems like the ones best for internal loop points are the least known or popular...
Here is one I have used ALOT (free)-
https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/endlesswav.html
Also this one-
http://www.dissidents.com/products.htm#Products Sample Wrench
Nero Wave Editor I always like for pitch shifting samples....
As to Cool Edit 96 there is a directory here-
https://www.midiplayertools.com/Software/CoolEdit96/
Here is one I have used ALOT (free)-
https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/endlesswav.html
Also this one-
http://www.dissidents.com/products.htm#Products Sample Wrench
Nero Wave Editor I always like for pitch shifting samples....
As to Cool Edit 96 there is a directory here-
https://www.midiplayertools.com/Software/CoolEdit96/
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
As to being dogmatic about AXS I must've overlooked this pertinent information this from the Sonic Spot from 1999 when AXS was still DOS & a $60.00 commercial product-
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/rtqWhby/AXSsonic-Spot1999.jpg)
Looks like those two Danish University Students were way ahead of their time. 'Sample limits only on PC memory' and 'Sample lengths to 16 MB' ...Shite, that would be ultra huge for back then...
So I guess I got nuthin' to worry about...Amazing a 22 year-old freeware tracker that is more stable than most 'high-tech' current DAWs & sequencers...Go figger...
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/rtqWhby/AXSsonic-Spot1999.jpg)
Looks like those two Danish University Students were way ahead of their time. 'Sample limits only on PC memory' and 'Sample lengths to 16 MB' ...Shite, that would be ultra huge for back then...
So I guess I got nuthin' to worry about...Amazing a 22 year-old freeware tracker that is more stable than most 'high-tech' current DAWs & sequencers...Go figger...
- KVRAF
- 2287 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest
It's sad when 30-year old free software is more feature-laden than most anything you can get today, free or paid. I tried very hard to find something modern and worthwhile, but there was nothing (at least for Mac.) Pretty much much everything I found had only Start Sample, End Sample and cross-fade looping. A few provided for a loop start point, but nothing offered a Loop End that was not just Sample End. It makes it impossible to loop pianos and such which require a separate attack and decay with a looped sustain.eLawnMust wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:27 pm Yeah seems like the ones best for internal loop points are the least known or popular...
Here is one I have used ALOT (free)-
https://www.bjoernbojahr.de/endlesswav.html
Also this one-
http://www.dissidents.com/products.htm#Products Sample Wrench
Nero Wave Editor I always like for pitch shifting samples....
As to Cool Edit 96 there is a directory here-
https://www.midiplayertools.com/Software/CoolEdit96/
I started on Logic 5 with a PowerBook G4 550Mhz. I now have a MacBook Air M1 and it's ~165x faster! So, why is my music not proportionally better? ![Sad :(](./images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
![Sad :(](./images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
Well, That sounds terrible...So NCH WavePad no good for loop points?...There's Ocenaudio but I don't think it does loop points, I don't know I didn't like it. Might be better to find a DAW with a POWERFUL Audio Editor Built-in, Trackers are great this way Renoise is MAC as well that would be my choice & it's quality soft forget ableton, cubase & what-not...
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
Yup, Renoise is MAC as well...The sample editor is first class & you can run a chain of FX through your sample. Renoise can also sample the output of plugins to instruments as well-
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/3Mn9nh3/Renoise-Sampler.jpg)
Unfortunately we are heading into an age where young desktop 'fiddlers' won't even know what a sample is, even though there are still many sample-based plugs out there...
I watched some young dudes trying to make tunes in old Fruity 2.7, I was shocked at how they didn't really know how to use them correctly or gay them up...
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/3Mn9nh3/Renoise-Sampler.jpg)
Unfortunately we are heading into an age where young desktop 'fiddlers' won't even know what a sample is, even though there are still many sample-based plugs out there...
I watched some young dudes trying to make tunes in old Fruity 2.7, I was shocked at how they didn't really know how to use them correctly or gay them up...
- KVRAF
- 10834 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
I got Nero with a CD burning software. It was good, comparable with Soundforge . I also really love NI Intakt which was such a good slicer/looper. That was the thing, trying to get loop points to make soundfonts. (I hated that)
- KVRAF
- 1853 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
I remember loading a crapload of samples into FastTracker2.x back in the day. We did not use GUS, we used AWE64/64Gold.
Here is one I released back in the day on one netlabel 1997, 14ch 30MB .xm file. https://i.imgur.com/U9dlgck.png
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Soft Knees - Live 12, Diva, Omnisphere, Slate Digital VSX, TDR, Kush Audio, U-He, PA, Valhalla, Fuse, Pulsar, NI, OekSound etc. on Win11Pro R7950X & RME AiO Pro
https://www.youtube.com/@softknees/videos Music & Demoscene
https://www.youtube.com/@softknees/videos Music & Demoscene
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- KVRist
- 320 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
That was quite a few samples...Fasttracker2 EPIC!
Well I went ahead & fully tested AXS today...Made a starter song template with FULL stereo samples 24bit all except for perc which was 16bit. Did nothing to optimize at all...NOT an issue at all...So far I cannot crash it!!!
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/H7ybyL4/AXScrashless.jpg)
Well I went ahead & fully tested AXS today...Made a starter song template with FULL stereo samples 24bit all except for perc which was 16bit. Did nothing to optimize at all...NOT an issue at all...So far I cannot crash it!!!
![Image](https://i.ibb.co/H7ybyL4/AXScrashless.jpg)
- KVRAF
- 1853 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
https://i.imgur.com/64olrNM.png a list of the samples I used. They're all 16bit
- played from Roland Alpha Juno 2 and JX3P if I remember right. There is even amplified AWE64 (not gold) hiss.wav
hah. Lemme see if I can have this as an actual track somewhere...
![Cool 8)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
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Soft Knees - Live 12, Diva, Omnisphere, Slate Digital VSX, TDR, Kush Audio, U-He, PA, Valhalla, Fuse, Pulsar, NI, OekSound etc. on Win11Pro R7950X & RME AiO Pro
https://www.youtube.com/@softknees/videos Music & Demoscene
https://www.youtube.com/@softknees/videos Music & Demoscene
- Banned
- 957 posts since 3 Apr, 2018
My all time favourite would be Steinberg Cubase 3.1 for Atari STE 1020
Gosh, I do miss that computer and software so much.
Limitations by today’s standards made me more creative than today’s technology![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
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Gosh, I do miss that computer and software so much.
Limitations by today’s standards made me more creative than today’s technology
![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
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- addled muppet weed
- 106511 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- Banned
- 957 posts since 3 Apr, 2018