I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work. That is why it's so easy to make them both.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
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It isn't that simple though and this doesn't substantiate the claim that sofware isn't any worse than hardware in general at all. And why are you posting this in this thread lolBertKoor wrote:I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
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Please don't confuse other people reading this.Gregorius wrote:Please don't feed the troll... Look at other posts from OP
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but it IS that simple. Hardware (rack) units don't contain any pixie dust. The machines you're talking about are just computers running software that could as well be VSTi's inside your DAW.Rameses wrote:It isn't that simple though
Claim by who? With what arguments exactly?Rameses wrote:and this doesn't substantiate the claim that sofware isn't any worse than hardware in general at all.
Because I felt it is relevant to it. You're claiming hardware is better, but you lack experience with it. So you're just full of assumptions which MUST be challenged if you want to know what's true and on what basis.Rameses wrote:And why are you posting this in this thread lol
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So what hardware synths and modules do you currently own,and which is your best module or synth ?Rameses wrote:It isn't that simple though and this doesn't substantiate the claim that sofware isn't any worse than hardware in general at all. And why are you posting this in this thread lolBertKoor wrote:I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
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- 33942 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
How did I get into this thread?BertKoor wrote:I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work. That is why it's so easy to make them both.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
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You fell down a rabbit hole.whyterabbyt wrote:How did I get into this thread?BertKoor wrote:I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work. That is why it's so easy to make them both.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
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Dang, I hate it when that happens.dellboy wrote:You fell down a rabbit hole.whyterabbyt wrote:How did I get into this thread?BertKoor wrote:I'd say indeed that a physical Roland SoundCanvas hardware unit is simular to it's VST version. It's a digital machine. Midi commands go in and sound comes out, with a CPU doing all the simple calculation work. That is why it's so easy to make them both.Rameses wrote:Are you trolling? What are you even trying to say? That a Rack Unit Sound Module is equal to a generic computer running a vst? I hope not.whyterabbyt wrote:So, which bit of the 19" metal case is it that makes such a crucial difference to the sound?
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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I rather would assume that you don't have any experience with Rack Units, because I have. Please stay at least reasonable with your presentation, because one thing being better than another one doesn't have anything to do with magic.BertKoor wrote:Sorry to rain on your parade, but it IS that simple. Hardware (rack) units don't contain any pixie dust. The machines you're talking about are just computers running software that could as well be VSTi's inside your DAW.Rameses wrote:It isn't that simple though
Claim by who? With what arguments exactly?Rameses wrote:and this doesn't substantiate the claim that sofware isn't any worse than hardware in general at all.
Because I felt it is relevant to it. You're claiming hardware is better, but you lack experience with it. So you're just full of assumptions which MUST be challenged if you want to know what's true and on what basis.Rameses wrote:And why are you posting this in this thread lol
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Which part of the 19" metal chassis makes it sound better again?
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- 23257 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
The additional digital-to-analog conversion before it hits your audio interface, and then analog-to-digital conversion in your audio interface, of course. That's one additional conversion that doesn't happen in plugins.
Unless you're using the digital outputs (if they exist), then, if code is ported well, there will be no audible differences between the hardware and software (JV-1080 plugin being a good example here - except it's more of a XV-5080 than JV-1080).
Unless you're using the digital outputs (if they exist), then, if code is ported well, there will be no audible differences between the hardware and software (JV-1080 plugin being a good example here - except it's more of a XV-5080 than JV-1080).
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- 33942 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Those extra reconstruction filters are what that makes the harmonic spectrum better by adding the extra 'complete', right?EvilDragon wrote:The additional digital-to-analog conversion before it hits your audio interface, and then analog-to-digital conversion in your audio interface, of course.
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Or extra colored, depending on the age of the unit. DACs weren't always perfect in the 90s, and much less so before that.
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Oh, I do know that... I think my views on the irony of the artefacts of legacy technology limitations being lauded and/or fetishised are relatively transparent.EvilDragon wrote:DACs weren't always perfect in the 90s, and much less so before that.
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