Oh that sucks..SebAV wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 8:00 amIt seems there’s no way to buy The Legend anymore (except as a RE for Reason). Too bad if you want a « simple » Minimoog or can’t afford the (legitimate) higher price. Model 72 would be the one to pick then.Vortifex wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:14 amI had assumed the HZ version would be a complementary special edition rather than a version 2. At this point The Legend is more of an analog supersynth than a Minimoog emulation, which I suppose explains the price almost doubling.kylie wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:18 amThere are some things that could lead to this conclusion, yes. While The Legend is still available via an already posted link it disappeared from the list of plugins at their website. Additionally, TLHZ reports its version as 2.000 while TL latest is 1.50. Still I'd wait for Richard to confirm.
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- KVRAF
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You could get quite far that way. However, you would still mis the osc's (3 and 6) as modulation source, the filterbank, phaser, chorus, sequencer, mod matrix with per voice mods, the msegs, full mpe support, 12 voices per instance..quite a lot really
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That's true.exmatproton wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 9:29 amYou could get quite far that way. However, you would still mis the osc's (3 and 6) as modulation source, the filterbank, phaser, chorus, sequencer, mod matrix with per voice mods, the msegs, full mpe support, 12 voices per instance..quite a lot really
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- KVRAF
- 15113 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Considering how great the analog emulation is, I’d say it’s very reasonable on the CPU. I agree, it would be nice to have the same high-quality modulation setting that Dune has, but as it is, it’s still great. You should check out Dune. The oscillators are not analog emulations, far from it, but they have some really good emulations of classic filters.Ah_Dziz wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 12:10 amThanks for the info, Zerocrossing. I've never played with any of the synapse stuff, but this seems just odd enough to be fun. I'm guessing from reading around the thread that the mod matrix runs at a lower rate than the audio engine. It would be real cool if it ran at full audio rate.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 1:32 pm12 and 24 db low and band pass modes.
Part of the effect chain, sadly.Furthermore is the filterbank per voice or part of an effect chain? If it is per voice can it be tuned as a whole?
Is the CPU use crazy compared to other modern synths?
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- KVRian
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You'd also be missing the compressor, the updated reverb (which also has added modulation), the tape delay...exmatproton wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 9:29 amYou could get quite far that way. However, you would still mis the osc's (3 and 6) as modulation source, the filterbank, phaser, chorus, sequencer, mod matrix with per voice mods, the msegs, full mpe support, 12 voices per instance..quite a lot really
Though in Bitwig I think you actually can set up the oscillators as a modulation source (or am I misremembering?).
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- KVRian
- 1008 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
Id say its quite low CPU. The Legend was for the quality reasonably "low" on my 4th gen Intel, now on Ryzen 9 7950X this synth id say on a lower side. 64 Instances playing 4 note chord with all 6 oscillators and reaching around 64-70 percent. Thats 1536 oscillators playing.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 2:12 pmConsidering how great the analog emulation is, I’d say it’s very reasonable on the CPU. I agree, it would be nice to have the same high-quality modulation setting that Dune has, but as it is, it’s still great. You should check out Dune. The oscillators are not analog emulations, far from it, but they have some really good emulations of classic filters.Ah_Dziz wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 12:10 amThanks for the info, Zerocrossing. I've never played with any of the synapse stuff, but this seems just odd enough to be fun. I'm guessing from reading around the thread that the mod matrix runs at a lower rate than the audio engine. It would be real cool if it ran at full audio rate.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 1:32 pm12 and 24 db low and band pass modes.
Part of the effect chain, sadly.Furthermore is the filterbank per voice or part of an effect chain? If it is per voice can it be tuned as a whole?
Is the CPU use crazy compared to other modern synths?
- KVRAF
- 3176 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
You would have 2 times 3 oscillators going to 2 filters, it isn't the same.
Plus as legend is not CLAP, your MSEG would not be polyphonic.
So no, not the same at all
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- KVRAF
- 11553 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I compared this to my hardware polyphonic Minimoog with 4 MSEGs, 6 oscillators/2 LFO's, and an ARP/Seq with modulation lane, presets and FX, including the fixed filter bank, and this emulation wasn't even close.
Oddly though, the CPU usage was much better on the software.
Oddly though, the CPU usage was much better on the software.
- KVRAF
- 3176 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Almost, any modulator can be audio-rate.Ou_Tis wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 2:18 pmYou'd also be missing the compressor, the updated reverb (which also has added modulation), the tape delay...exmatproton wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 9:29 amYou could get quite far that way. However, you would still mis the osc's (3 and 6) as modulation source, the filterbank, phaser, chorus, sequencer, mod matrix with per voice mods, the msegs, full mpe support, 12 voices per instance..quite a lot really
Though in Bitwig I think you actually can set up the oscillators as a modulation source (or am I misremembering?).
But that doesn't mean that legend would react well to it and it would probably not.
- KVRist
- 455 posts since 3 Nov, 2023
If you buy the Re version, SA will normally give you the vst version free... if not, it's still in some placesSebAV wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 8:00 amIt seems there’s no way to buy The Legend anymore (except as a RE for Reason). Too bad if you want a « simple » Minimoog or can’t afford the (legitimate) higher price. Model 72 would be the one to pick then.Vortifex wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 3:14 amI had assumed the HZ version would be a complementary special edition rather than a version 2. At this point The Legend is more of an analog supersynth than a Minimoog emulation, which I suppose explains the price almost doubling.kylie wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 12:18 amThere are some things that could lead to this conclusion, yes. While The Legend is still available via an already posted link it disappeared from the list of plugins at their website. Additionally, TLHZ reports its version as 2.000 while TL latest is 1.50. Still I'd wait for Richard to confirm.
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- KVRAF
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What is meant by full mpe in the improvements? What is added since the old legend?
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- KVRian
- 1008 posts since 24 Sep, 2021
I dont understand, what Polyphonic Minimoog hardware are you talking about? or is it just a bad joke?Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 2:26 pm I compared this to my hardware polyphonic Minimoog with 4 MSEGs, 6 oscillators/2 LFO's, and an ARP/Seq with modulation lane, presets and FX, including the fixed filter bank, and this emulation wasn't even close.
Oddly though, the CPU usage was much better on the software.
- KVRAF
- 3079 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
AFAIK in the original plugin one didn't have dedicated control over some parameters. In the HZ version uou can change the pressure graphs (dunno how to call it, don't use mpe) for velocity, timbre and aftertouchEchoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 5:43 pm What is meant by full mpe in the improvements? What is added since the old legend?
- KVRAF
- 2520 posts since 6 Jul, 2013
Maybe it's a *good* joke..?Lbdunequest wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2024 6:12 pm I dont understand, what Polyphonic Minimoog hardware are you talking about? or is it just a bad joke?