Is Renoise dead?

[classic]

There wasn't an update or upgrade since..........

Did they stop developing it?

[Jace-BeOS]

Good question. They never addressed the delays/latencies added to my Logic projects when using multiple instances of their sampler plugin, either...

[Chapelle]

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[pottering]

There was a update like a month ago.

https://forum.renoise.com/index.php/top ... x-release/

But they sure make a piss-poor job of communicating that on their site (heard of it on twitter).

[antic604]

There wasn't an update or upgrade since..........

Did they stop developing it?

It looks that way, although it begs the question - what is it you need added that's within the tracker paradigm? If you think about piano-roll, horizontal tracks with waveform display, etc. non-tracker stuff, I guess the devs stance on that was pretty clear: those won't happen.

[sfxsound3]

it begs the question - what is it you need added that's within the tracker paradigm?

Per-track pattern length - see Buzz for the correct implementation. That's actually the biggest drawback of Renoise - or should I say design flaw?

Other than that, it may be a tracker, but it's also an audio processing app and a host, so - routing, sidechain. How do you make a full mix without sidechain? Use another host? Track meters are very basic. Effects are of early '00s quality (=shit).

Could come up with a longer list, but can't be arsed, if they can't be arsed to keep working on their software. I'm a legit user for two complete version numbers - bought a license for up to and including version 4. They released 3 and stopped development. Which means that they effectively stole my money for one full version number.

[antic604]

Per-track pattern length - see Buzz for the correct implementation. That's actually the biggest drawback of Renoise - or should I say design flaw?

Oh, this I agree with 100% although it's a complete revamping of the software, from pattern-based workflow to track-based. The sequencer and continuous pattern view and automation editing were introduced to make that less painful.

Other than that, it may be a tracker, but it's also an audio processing app and a host, so - routing, sidechain. How do you make a full mix without sidechain? Use another host? Track meters are very basic. Effects are of early '00s quality (=shit).

You can route audio to send tracks, you can use Signal Follower on one track to trigger the compressor somewhere else, not sure if and how it works for VSTs. Sure, it's basic functionality, but it is there.

Could come up with a longer list, but can't be arsed, if they can't be arsed to keep working on their software. I'm a legit user for two complete version numbers - bought a license for up to and including version 4. They released 3 and stopped development. Which means that they effectively stole my money for one full version number.

That's a wrong mindset. No. You paid for what's in version 3.x, with *extra benefit* of getting everyting up to 4.x for free. Why would you - in your head - "pay" for things that you don't know if and when they're coming and that you have no idea if they'd be of any use to you?

And come on, Renoise costs 68EUR - that's less than most plugins.

[sfxsound3]

Erm, it's not an 'extra benefit'. I own Renoise 4. It's not irrelevant to me if it comes tomorrow with all the features I need, after 10 years of waiting, or never.

[antic604]

Erm, it's not an 'extra benefit'. I own Renoise 4. It's not irrelevant to me if it comes tomorrow with all the features I need, after 10 years of waiting, or never.

No, you're entitled to get it free if and when it ever comes out with whatever features it has. AFAIK there's no official (or unofficial) road map with release schedule and feature list. No DAW does it.

If you're going in with that mindset, then you're setting yourself for disappointment.

But sure, to each his own - feel free to feel "robbed" of your money...

And don't buy Bitwig - that's even more of a "scam"

[reusenoise]

If you need updates every second day just buy Reaper

[gremlinmoon]

Staying within the tracker/pattern matrix paradigm, can they even come up with enough "new" core features to justify a v4?

I definitely can't see them adding synths, updated effects, gigs of samples and loops, a hardware controller, a subscription model, licensing zynaptique time stretching, video player, etc...

If the top 25 minor features were added that would probably be a .5 update.

[dayjob]

There was a update like a month ago.

https://forum.renoise.com/index.php/top ... x-release/

But they sure make a piss-poor job of communicating that on their site (heard of it on twitter).

yeah.. there was _just_ an update. also he's active on social media and posts stuff all the time about contests and sound packs and new renoise tools etc.

[Numanoid]

Good point to follow them on Twitter: https://twitter.com/renoise

They post frequently.

https://twitter.com/renoise/status/915591939323547648

[bungle]

Its not dead, its finished, they will update it for OS compatibility i expect.

[Benutzername]

There is a bit of truth in there.

There is always room for improvement but Renoise as a tracker is almost as good as a tracker can be. Most of the suggested workflow additions will only wrap other paradigms over the tracker interface and that will IMHO destroy the entire experience. Trackers produce a certain result for me because they force me to work a certain way. With an easy to reach piano roll I'll automatically start to paint music again because it's faster and easier and in the end I'll produce the same songs and sounds as in a linear DAW. Having options is not always a good thing (at least for me).

What is really needed for the next big version is a quality upgrade with higher quality effects and modernized filters. The sampler needs some more modern features like articulations, wave table support and grain synthesis functions. The would also transform Redux from a good sampler to a real sound machine.