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Tecnnical difference between uhe synth and others
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 132 posts since 4 May, 2018
Hi guys, I’m looking for an high quality synth for sound design. Zebra and VPS Avenger are my favorites ones, but I can buy only one $$$
I downloaded and tried both and Zebra seems to be the best sounding. Are there any technical differences between the two synths? Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
I downloaded and tried both and Zebra seems to be the best sounding. Are there any technical differences between the two synths? Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
- Banned
- 10732 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
arcy wrote:Hi guys, I’m looking for an high quality synth for sound design. Zebra and VPS Avenger are my favorites ones, but I can buy only one $$$
I downloaded and tried both and Zebra seems to be the best sounding. Are there any technical differences between the two synths? Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
Does it matter? You choose the one YOU prefer.
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- Banned
- 334 posts since 11 Jan, 2015
zebra seems to be more stable and their updates seem to be tested very well in opposit to avenger...
the filters obviously differ too. avengers filter sound too clean and thin while uhe is known for their effort to build good sounding filters.
the filters obviously differ too. avengers filter sound too clean and thin while uhe is known for their effort to build good sounding filters.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 132 posts since 4 May, 2018
Ok....this is valid for every aspect of the life, so? Could we close the forum? My answer is technical, to know under the hood how theirs products works because what I heard is that u-he synth uses more CPU despite others for its high quality algorithms. And this for me is more important than what I simply like or not in terms of investment..AnX wrote:arcy wrote:Hi guys, I’m looking for an high quality synth for sound design. Zebra and VPS Avenger are my favorites ones, but I can buy only one $$$
I downloaded and tried both and Zebra seems to be the best sounding. Are there any technical differences between the two synths? Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
Does it matter? You choose the one YOU prefer.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 132 posts since 4 May, 2018
Yes, Avenger is buggy and filters too thin. OSC in Zebra sounds more thick and round while Avenger a little more “digital”.frizzbee wrote:zebra seems to be more stable and their updates seem to be tested very well in opposit to avenger...
the filters obviously differ too. avengers filter sound too clean and thin while uhe is known for their effort to build good sounding filters.
For me Avenger has a better mod matrix and I like the way fxs are not limited and well routed in every oscillator (not only a master and two busses like Zebra).
But Avenger has something in the sound that doesn’t attract me..
- KVRAF
- 5891 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Uhe synths are works of art, demonstrating an attention to detail and quality that is rarely matched in the industry. They often do use a lot of cpu, but there is generally a quality knob to alleviate much of that. One cannot go wrong supporting them, that much is true.
Of course, in the end you should buy what works best for you. No one can decide that for you. As for technical details, the best place to get answers for that, would be from the devs. Most else, is certainly only speculation.
-cheers
Of course, in the end you should buy what works best for you. No one can decide that for you. As for technical details, the best place to get answers for that, would be from the devs. Most else, is certainly only speculation.
-cheers
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- KVRist
- 37 posts since 2 Mar, 2018
Zebra is quite an old synth at this point in time. A lot of the original algorithms are extremely light on CPU. Some of the more recently added filter algos (derived from Diva and Tyrell iirc) are heavier on the CPU, but it's all relative, and Zebra is still more than reasonable with modern CPUs.
Beware of painting ALL u-he synths with the CPU heavy brush. It's important to look at the synth-release timeline to get the best impression of which are heavy or not.
ACE was the first CPU killer synth, but that was years ago, and a modern CPU hardly notices ACE
Diva and Bazille, then the RePros... those guys use significant CPU.
Zebra is the oldest in the stable, with Filterscape and Podolski being older and lighter.)
The one exception to the rule is Hive. That's a fairly recent synth, but it was intentionally designed to be light on CPU.
I have no experience with Avenger.
Zebra does make use of analogue modeling, but not nearly to the same degree of detail and authenticity as u-he's dedicated analogue modeling synths...Diva and RePro.
About 10 years ago Zebra would've been your first choice for authentic sounding analogue modeling VSTi, but u-he has set the bar increasingly higher since then.
You can't go wrong with Zebra if you like its sound. You're in good company with Hans Zimmer etc al. Zebra is a modern classic.
Hope this helps.
Beware of painting ALL u-he synths with the CPU heavy brush. It's important to look at the synth-release timeline to get the best impression of which are heavy or not.
ACE was the first CPU killer synth, but that was years ago, and a modern CPU hardly notices ACE
Diva and Bazille, then the RePros... those guys use significant CPU.
Zebra is the oldest in the stable, with Filterscape and Podolski being older and lighter.)
The one exception to the rule is Hive. That's a fairly recent synth, but it was intentionally designed to be light on CPU.
I have no experience with Avenger.
Zebra does make use of analogue modeling, but not nearly to the same degree of detail and authenticity as u-he's dedicated analogue modeling synths...Diva and RePro.
About 10 years ago Zebra would've been your first choice for authentic sounding analogue modeling VSTi, but u-he has set the bar increasingly higher since then.
You can't go wrong with Zebra if you like its sound. You're in good company with Hans Zimmer etc al. Zebra is a modern classic.
Hope this helps.
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Don't have experience with Avenger (mainly because it's iLoked and I simply stay away from "the hassle" , yes, it does exist for some, big time! ) ..or is it eLicenser? whatever..
I do have years of experience with u-he synths in particular (besides using at least a dozen more from other companies)
... Zebra is still my go-to synth for sound design in general because of it's flexibility and sound quality..
Play with the demo of both, they are deeps synths, in time, you'll come to a conclusion what's right for you.
added: technical differences? ... maybe try some quick modulation on some key modules/parameters, like osc pitch and filter cutoff... try extremely fast envelopes or other modulation, the "poorer" synths can't really respond to very fast modulation that accurately
I do have years of experience with u-he synths in particular (besides using at least a dozen more from other companies)
... Zebra is still my go-to synth for sound design in general because of it's flexibility and sound quality..
Play with the demo of both, they are deeps synths, in time, you'll come to a conclusion what's right for you.
added: technical differences? ... maybe try some quick modulation on some key modules/parameters, like osc pitch and filter cutoff... try extremely fast envelopes or other modulation, the "poorer" synths can't really respond to very fast modulation that accurately
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- KVRAF
- 5716 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
3ee wrote:Don't have experience with Avenger (mainly because it's iLoked and I simply stay away from "the hassle" , yes, it does exist for some, big time! ) ..or is it eLicenser? whatever..
Neither. It’s a hard-disk key file.
- Banned
- 10732 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
Again, if its quality you want, nobody but YOU can say which is the best. YOU try the demo versions and test for yourself how much cpu the use, its not difficult. Everyones system is different, so only YOU can make this decision.arcy wrote:Ok....this is valid for every aspect of the life, so? Could we close the forum? My answer is technical, to know under the hood how theirs products works because what I heard is that u-he synth uses more CPU despite others for its high quality algorithms. And this for me is more important than what I simply like or not in terms of investment..AnX wrote:arcy wrote:Hi guys, I’m looking for an high quality synth for sound design. Zebra and VPS Avenger are my favorites ones, but I can buy only one $$$
I downloaded and tried both and Zebra seems to be the best sounding. Are there any technical differences between the two synths? Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
Does it matter? You choose the one YOU prefer.
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- KVRAF
- 5716 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Probably. One loads samples; the other doesn't. So there's that.arcy wrote:Are there any technical differences between the two synths?
Probably. But let's say you get a precise answer, which would you prefer out of the one that uses reticulated splines vs advanced guru meditation?arcy wrote:Does u-he software use analog emulation or special DSP algorithm?
Thanks
- KVRAF
- 3264 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
Demo...demo...demo... what fits in with your material and your ear is irrelevant to opinions outside your circle!
Technical difference - no idea, u-he has a very unparalleled commitment to excellence.
Bottom line just demo...demo...demo...
Technical difference - no idea, u-he has a very unparalleled commitment to excellence.
Bottom line just demo...demo...demo...
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 132 posts since 4 May, 2018
Thank you guys. Sorry if my question was not clear at all, I’m Italian.
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Well, of course there are technical differences. In the end, it is all DSP though, nothing "magical" going on. For judging the sound, it is relatively irrelevant, and, if you like Zebra more than Avenger, then go for Zebra.