VSTi closest to MOOG ONE 16 voice
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 768 posts since 18 Nov, 2010
I know about Moogs, and analog synths etc, just asking what everyone thinks is the VSTi that can come THE CLOSEST to the 16 voice MOOG ONE, on the basis of sound, not if it looks like a moog.
Must have at LEAST 16 voices, and be very moogy sounding, and not cost $8500.
Will guess Legend or Diva? Does Legend do 16 voices? I forget if Diva does.
I own Arturia MiniV which I can bump to 16 voices and do "ok", but wondering what else could reach toward MOOG ONE sound?
Controls don't have to match, as long as audio tries to get there.
Must have at LEAST 16 voices, and be very moogy sounding, and not cost $8500.
Will guess Legend or Diva? Does Legend do 16 voices? I forget if Diva does.
I own Arturia MiniV which I can bump to 16 voices and do "ok", but wondering what else could reach toward MOOG ONE sound?
Controls don't have to match, as long as audio tries to get there.
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- KVRAF
- 23110 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
There isn't such a thing.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106147 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 986 posts since 8 Mar, 2009
The way the term "voices"is used in most plugins is misleading.16 voices of the Moog One and 16 voices of say err i dunno Serum are not the same thing.all 16 voices of a VSTI does in most cases is stack 16 copies of that note and the whole patch as is(minus the fx which are polyphonic in very few cases)directly on top of eachother.in say the MoogOne,Prophet 08 and OB-6 there is an entire "voice"of the synth per voice.meaning that there is the same amount of oscillators per voice,filters,envelopes,sometimes FX,VCA etc etc and they are all toleranced differently hence its part of the reason why analog poly's tend to sound thicker than plugins(one of em amongst many..)but they also steal voices when you run out of polyphony.depending on how you view that most people would see that as a hindrance,but voice stealing has its charms IMO
The only VSTI's that could come close in "spirit"that i know of are Diva which has a voice mod which kind of does the same thing,Phaseplant with its poly architecture and Dune2/3 which is actually the closest analog to how voices work in analog synths out of all these but is only 8 actual voices(remember we aint talking about oscillator/waveform unison)if you have Dune you could stack 2 instances of it and you'd have at least the same architecture as the Moog One.provided you can be assed going in there and tweaking all those said voices differently
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 768 posts since 18 Nov, 2010
TIMT, thanks for your reply. All makes sense. Seems like DIVA, with its Moogy parts, and the 16 voices may have the closest sound. Never heard Phase Plant nor Dune's as being moog like (although they can probably come close).
Looks like THE LEGEND only does 4 voice poly?
Stealing: yeah, I'm after 16 voices for this reason. I absolutely HATED the way my Andromeda stole voices. It seemed totally backwards to any other synth voice steal, and against my playing style and needs. So, I like LOTS of voices - like MOOG ONE - with less cost, weight, warm up time. A6 probably has ways to change stealing, never cared, water under the bridge
Looks like THE LEGEND only does 4 voice poly?
Stealing: yeah, I'm after 16 voices for this reason. I absolutely HATED the way my Andromeda stole voices. It seemed totally backwards to any other synth voice steal, and against my playing style and needs. So, I like LOTS of voices - like MOOG ONE - with less cost, weight, warm up time. A6 probably has ways to change stealing, never cared, water under the bridge
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
Synth1 has the closest name.
- KVRian
- 1182 posts since 25 Jan, 2017
Legend goes up to 8 voices.wwjd wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:52 pm TIMT, thanks for your reply. All makes sense. Seems like DIVA, with its Moogy parts, and the 16 voices may have the closest sound. Never heard Phase Plant nor Dune's as being moog like (although they can probably come close).
Looks like THE LEGEND only does 4 voice poly?
Stealing: yeah, I'm after 16 voices for this reason. I absolutely HATED the way my Andromeda stole voices. It seemed totally backwards to any other synth voice steal, and against my playing style and needs. So, I like LOTS of voices - like MOOG ONE - with less cost, weight, warm up time. A6 probably has ways to change stealing, never cared, water under the bridge
Aware of all the differences and depending on what you actually plan to program on the polysynth, if you have issues with voice stealing and want a lot of voices with fat analog character you could also check out the Polymoog emulation from XILS, which goes up to 71.
The drawback is, although you get a filter (and envelope) for each of the 71 voices, you don't get "per-voice" LFOs, only "global" LFOs.
So, it depends on your needs.
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 24 Dec, 2015
- Diva. 16 voices , Moog oscs & filter emulation, frequency modulation, hard sync... It has enough options to make a very convincing Moog One sound.
- Repro-5. It sounds even better than Diva in my opinion. Its polyphonic distortion is a blessing. 8 voices though.
- Massive X. 64 voices (but your CPU will hate you). a Moog filter among others, it's semi modular which leads you to build your own "analog synth" template if you want. The sound quality is amazing like the 2 synths above. It might not look like an analog emulation at first sight but I can guarantee you that it DOES sound like a real analog synth.
My point is that those soft synths are very high quality virtual analogs but more importantly, they offer many controls to make the sound more organic or wild, like a Moog One does.
- Repro-5. It sounds even better than Diva in my opinion. Its polyphonic distortion is a blessing. 8 voices though.
- Massive X. 64 voices (but your CPU will hate you). a Moog filter among others, it's semi modular which leads you to build your own "analog synth" template if you want. The sound quality is amazing like the 2 synths above. It might not look like an analog emulation at first sight but I can guarantee you that it DOES sound like a real analog synth.
My point is that those soft synths are very high quality virtual analogs but more importantly, they offer many controls to make the sound more organic or wild, like a Moog One does.
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- KVRer
- 12 posts since 28 Mar, 2020
K Brown created a version of aspects of the Moog One that you may enjoy exploring!!
simpleONE - (~Moog One) A very much-simplified approximation of the Moog One. It's somewhat to the One as the Voyager OS was to the original Voyager - mostly WYSIWYG panel controls with very little menu-accessed extra features. Also just the core synth functions - no layers, splits, arp, sequencer or effects. v1.01 4/19.
The download folder is here
https://ln.sync.com/dl/62c9b9f70/bbjdaw ... 8986860004
simpleONE - (~Moog One) A very much-simplified approximation of the Moog One. It's somewhat to the One as the Voyager OS was to the original Voyager - mostly WYSIWYG panel controls with very little menu-accessed extra features. Also just the core synth functions - no layers, splits, arp, sequencer or effects. v1.01 4/19.
The download folder is here
https://ln.sync.com/dl/62c9b9f70/bbjdaw ... 8986860004
- KVRAF
- 15134 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
If you’re focused on getting 16 analog voices... Diva will be the closest, but IMO, that really misses the premise of the Moog One:
Moog One Analog Synthesizer Features:
8- or 16-voice polyphony
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3 VCOs per voice with waveshape mixing and OLED displays
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Unison mode (up to 48 oscillators on the 16-voice instrument)
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2 filters per voice with filter mixing (2 multimode State Variable filters that function as a single filter, and a classic lowpass/highpass Moog Ladder filter)
Nope. One filter per voice.
3 DAHDSR envelopes per voice with user-definable curves
Nope. 2 ADSRs with fixed curve responses. (Different models, though)
3-part multitimbrality
Nope... but you could run three instances of Diva.
Separate sequencer and arpeggiator per timbre
Nope, but unnecessary in software.
Chord memory
Nope.
Dual-source noise generator with dedicated envelope
Nope.
Mixer with external audio input
Nope. No effect version of Diva.
Ring modulation with selectable routing
Ring mod only on Dual VCO Eco between the two oscillators.
Oscillator FM and hard sync with selectable routing
Yes, but with fixed routing.
4 assignable LFOs
Two assignable LFOs.
Digital Effects (Synth and Master Bus)
Yes, but just master bus.
Eventide reverbs
Nope, but you could obviously add any reverb you choose.
Selectable glide types.
Yes
So, there you go. The computing power to mimic a 16 voice Moog One would probably be beyond most modern CPUs. Not sure when we’ll get that kind of power in a PC. The Moog One is out of my budget range as well... and frankly I’m not sure I’ve heard enough from it to excite me in dropping that kind of cash. For half the money I’d get a Prophet X and load it up with some multisampled Moog oscillator samples and be a lot happier. Meanwhile, I think something like Massive X with its Blue Monark filter is very impressive in ways that a Moog One isn’t, and will give you up to 64 voices, if you really want to go crazy.
Moog One Analog Synthesizer Features:
8- or 16-voice polyphony
Check
3 VCOs per voice with waveshape mixing and OLED displays
Check
Unison mode (up to 48 oscillators on the 16-voice instrument)
Check
2 filters per voice with filter mixing (2 multimode State Variable filters that function as a single filter, and a classic lowpass/highpass Moog Ladder filter)
Nope. One filter per voice.
3 DAHDSR envelopes per voice with user-definable curves
Nope. 2 ADSRs with fixed curve responses. (Different models, though)
3-part multitimbrality
Nope... but you could run three instances of Diva.
Separate sequencer and arpeggiator per timbre
Nope, but unnecessary in software.
Chord memory
Nope.
Dual-source noise generator with dedicated envelope
Nope.
Mixer with external audio input
Nope. No effect version of Diva.
Ring modulation with selectable routing
Ring mod only on Dual VCO Eco between the two oscillators.
Oscillator FM and hard sync with selectable routing
Yes, but with fixed routing.
4 assignable LFOs
Two assignable LFOs.
Digital Effects (Synth and Master Bus)
Yes, but just master bus.
Eventide reverbs
Nope, but you could obviously add any reverb you choose.
Selectable glide types.
Yes
So, there you go. The computing power to mimic a 16 voice Moog One would probably be beyond most modern CPUs. Not sure when we’ll get that kind of power in a PC. The Moog One is out of my budget range as well... and frankly I’m not sure I’ve heard enough from it to excite me in dropping that kind of cash. For half the money I’d get a Prophet X and load it up with some multisampled Moog oscillator samples and be a lot happier. Meanwhile, I think something like Massive X with its Blue Monark filter is very impressive in ways that a Moog One isn’t, and will give you up to 64 voices, if you really want to go crazy.
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- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
Not many softsynths that can replicate the big amount of features of the Moog One, especially the dual filter with one multimode filter and most analog emulations only have 2 Oscs instead of 3.
Not exactly a Moog emulation but Xils Lab PolyKB III has up to 16 voices, 3 Oscs with morphable waveforms 2, multimode filters. 3 ADSR envelopes, 2 LFOs and a Step Sequencer besides some additional features.
Like in the Moog One it is possible to route each of the Oscs to one of the the 2 filters (parallel filters) and also use the filters in series. A filter balance knob is included too.
All 3 Oscs are available as mod sources in teh mod matrix to allow audio rate modulations. Osc 2 is also included as a source in the polymod section.
Not exactly a Moog emulation but Xils Lab PolyKB III has up to 16 voices, 3 Oscs with morphable waveforms 2, multimode filters. 3 ADSR envelopes, 2 LFOs and a Step Sequencer besides some additional features.
Like in the Moog One it is possible to route each of the Oscs to one of the the 2 filters (parallel filters) and also use the filters in series. A filter balance knob is included too.
All 3 Oscs are available as mod sources in teh mod matrix to allow audio rate modulations. Osc 2 is also included as a source in the polymod section.
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